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              <text>It was tough at that time. As we started collecting samples, we started having cases escaping from Kenema because at that time, I think there was a problem with security. The whole structure was not too--so you had patients escaping from the treatment, coming to Freetown. [laughs] We had to be informed. There was a time when one of them was on television, so I had to go and locate the house, take him back to Kenema. At that time, in fact, there was BBC [British Broadcasting Corporation] coverage there. I took him back. I said, "I brought your guy." So they took him.&#13;
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              <text>I had seen pictures--videos of Ebola in Uganda. I had been thinking. First of all, we had been having cases that looked like Ebola in our country. If you look at Bong County, we are in the central region. In years back, this Phebe Hospital was like a referral center for all hospitals in the central region and the eastern region. Lassa fever is an endemic disease and it's also a viral hemorrhagic disease. So Ebola brought the [unclear] to Lassa fever. It was something that could make you afraid, especially once I started to read the history of what Ebola did in other countries. I heard this over the media, BBC [British Broadcasting Corporation], that Ebola was in Sierra Leone. Ebola was in Guinea. I started to follow the track of how this disease is traveling from Guinea to Sierra Leone. I was afraid. I heard this information very early in the morning when I woke up from bed. I must admit, I was afraid. I felt terrible. I couldn't sleep that night. What was in my mind is the surveillance system is paralyzed. The surveillance system is a one-man thing. How are we going to do this when our people have poor habits when it comes to health? Even our health workers. How are we going to fight this battle? That morning I went to work and my boss man, Dr. Arzoaquoi, was the first to tell me, "There's Ebola in Guinea, so come, come, let us look at the history of Ebola." I think I felt a little bit relieved because my chief had notified me also and he's concerned.&#13;
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              <text>[A]ll the way really through June, even parts of July, it was a pretty calm reaction.&#13;
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We had noticed that in Conakry, in the capital, they were starting to make some public health responses to it, in the sense of if you went to some of the fancier restaurants, they would make you wash your hands before you went in. Because soap and water aren't exactly the most ubiquitous out there, they would actually just have really chlorinated water, and so everyone was walking around with really dry hands [laughter] or just over-using hand sanitizer. But they also started implementing the--[laughs] they would just call it, it was like a fist bump for Ebola, instead of shaking hands. Small public health interventions and recommendations to help slow the spread of disease. We were starting to notice those things, but again, they didn't have a great impact on my day. I didn't really--it didn't really change what I was doing.&#13;
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              <text>So these surveillance officers would go out usually on their motorbikes and there were so few motorbikes that they would--we and then I think it was Japan, yeah, I think Japan supplied some motorbikes there and we were able to buy some with some CDC Foundation money. But when we first got there, there were two ambulances in the entire district for a population of five hundred thousand people. And the other thing that was really pertinent at the time was there was no Ebola treatment unit and there was no lab, and at our peak I think on a weekly basis our peak was probably about one hundred fifty suspected cases that we worked up […]</text>
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              <text>&lt;strong&gt;MONTGOMERY:&lt;/strong&gt; When the outbreak started back in December of 2013, it was no different than any other Ebola outbreak. In fact, when I was there in April 2014 in northern Liberia, we were going out to the rural communities providing education and they were clueless as to what Ebola was. They'd never seen it before. So we were educating the community in contact tracing and recognizing Ebola. Basically, classical epidemiology and classical Ebola response, and that's how it started. There was a lot of fear and a lot of anger in the community early on, and that continued all the way through I would say until at least July or August of 2014. Yeah, 2014. Was that--yeah, I guess that's right. Because I was there in April 2014, because it's November 2015 now. I was there and went back. I was there in April and went back in August and went back again in October. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Q:&lt;/strong&gt; So many different stages of where it was at. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;MONTGOMERY:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah. I went from when it was basically a typical Ebola response--and in fact, because I had worked in Viral Special Pathogens and I was on the continent, Stuart Nichol, the branch chief at the time, he called me up and he's like, "Hey, we need someone to go out. Would you mind going out? We need someone who's had some experience and we just need someone who's calm and knows how to do this." And I said, "Sure, I'll do it, no problem." So I went out and we actually set up teams there and worked with the local Ministry of Health and kind of helped them set up their response system there. It really didn't come into real, full operational mode until July, August, when Kevin DeCock went out and helped them set up their incident management system. But we were doing some of the initial investigations in Liberia working with our counterparts in Guinea because at the time there were no cases in Sierra Leone.</text>
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              <text>Around that time--well, I guess this was September 2014, and President Obama had come to visit, so that was a huge undertaking in terms of the planning, and the logistics, and those kinds of things. But also a critical turning point because during that visit is when he announced the DoD deployments for the MMUs [Monrovia Medical Unit], these facilities getting established to take care of people in West Africa. That was I think a critical turning point in the response, at least from the US government side. And I think for the world, too, because other people were more willing to pony up if the US was involved in a larger way.</text>
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              <text>And then the next point was, of course, President [Barack H.] Obama's announcement that he was sending the military, and all this other stuff that came out in mid-September. That was the other interesting event because just the mere announcement that the US military was coming, literally the next morning--that was about eight o'clock at night Monrovia time, I mean it was what, three or four in the afternoon at CDC when he made the announcement, so eight o'clock in the evening. The next morning, the atmosphere in Monrovia had completely turned because it was this idea--we were all feeling a little isolated and forlorn and people didn't want anything to do with us because we all had Ebola. And suddenly that sense that Liberia was not in the fight alone, that the Americans were there even though we'd been there obviously throughout, that they were so serious that they were willing to send the military. It was almost as if Liberians themselves said we can do this, we will find a way to beat this. It was really an interesting morning because there was just a buzz in the air that there was going to be an end at some point. How long it would take we didn't know, but that there was going to be one.</text>
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              <text>&lt;strong&gt;Q:&lt;/strong&gt; I know that your experience with Ebola continues as deputy IM, etcetera. Maybe we should transition into that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;CACERES:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure, so that was a great experience, too, because I felt like I had seen the Ebola response from the ground level, in the ring countries, so not the immediate countries that--of course, that would have been an entirely different experience. I really think that people that went there were doing heroic things, and kudos to those folks who were there in the midst of all of that. I didn't have the experience of the Ebola countries themselves, and I also didn't have the experience of the EOC central operations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I was asked to volunteer for that. And I thought, at that point, when I volunteered, I thought I would be doing it--taking time away from FETP. But at the time, I was also in transition, or was about to find out that I was going to move out of FETP and into this new position. And so I asked my supervisor in the new position, whether I could honor that commitment. And they were all for it because the EOC just happens to be in the center where my new position is, so it was again, a nice segue. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And really, the deputy IM position, at that point, I felt like I was helpful, but really, I was back-up. I would do things that were needed, and I enjoyed working with Barb [Barbara J.] Marston and Oliver [W. Morgan] and seeing the interactions that they had with Tom [Thomas R.] Frieden, with the folks on the [National] Security Council. We'd have those security-cleared meetings in the top-secret room, and give those briefings. I think I gained much more than I actually contributed there. But I was grateful for that experience. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That was at the time when the countdowns were occurring, the initial countdowns. On the day that you'd have that twenty-one-day period or forty-two-day period, we would get another case, or another--and that was kind of frustrating. I think we were all in an atmosphere where we didn't want to talk about countdowns because of the jinx.</text>
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